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Post #41 - 06 Jul 2020, 21:35

Father Hasil Cocteau, SJ; » 53 minutes ago wrote:I worked with people who were assigned to rescue people on the face of El Capitan.
Management shouldn't allow people to climb this face because it's too dangerous to rescue a person halfway up and stuck.
One of the reasons it's a popular climb is that it's visible from the park road and lodge and the
"hero" mountaineer gets an audience.

There's a trail with chains and cross bars to the top from the far side and in wet weather, it's really slippery. That is why the park service put the safety devices in.

One more thing: The face of El Capitan has (or maybe used to have - perhaps they got rangers to remove them) - hundred of pitons embedded in the granite. I tried to get management to make the climbers remove them after they've made the climb but it was pretty far down on our demand list and didn't get done at that time.


This guy did it without ropes.
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Post #42 - 06 Jul 2020, 21:40

Yes, free climbing. You can still get stuck and need to be rescued for a variety of reasons. Should be banned from Yosemite Valley at least.
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Post #43 - 06 Jul 2020, 21:53

Happy Jack » Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:35 pm wrote:
This guy did it without ropes.
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Yes it takes balls, no one would dispute that, but when things go wrong someone else has to risk their life rescuing them. :mellow:
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Post #44 - 06 Jul 2020, 22:28

I would imagine a rescuer would simply abseil down and rope them up. No risk really.
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Post #45 - 06 Jul 2020, 23:11

We're talking about a 2000 foot cliff and one just doesn't rappel down 1000 feet [say] and reach the person in need of rescue. It's a multistage process with that length.
The rescuee needs to be secured and that takes equipment to rope him/her to the cliff face.
Each rescuer needs to be belayed as well as the litter when you get the rescuee in it.
Sometimes it's safer to lower the goofball with a ranger or two holding the litter to establish a stable platform and move the belayer(s) down to that point and lower away again.
Every step presents a life threatening situation because of the extreme exposure and being dependent on pitons, expansion bolts, cliff lugs, etc.
I think it's more hazardous bringing a climber to level ground - whether up or down - then a regular technical climb.
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Post #46 - 07 Jul 2020, 06:28

Father Hasil Cocteau, SJ; » Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:11 am wrote:We're talking about a 2000 foot cliff and one just doesn't rappel down 1000 feet [say] and reach the person in need of rescue. It's a multistage process with that length.
The rescuee needs to be secured and that takes equipment to rope him/her to the cliff face.
Each rescuer needs to be belayed as well as the litter when you get the rescuee in it.
Sometimes it's safer to lower the goofball with a ranger or two holding the litter to establish a stable platform and move the belayer(s) down to that point and lower away again.
Every step presents a life threatening situation because of the extreme exposure and being dependent on pitons, expansion bolts, cliff lugs, etc.
I think it's more hazardous bringing a climber to level ground - whether up or down - then a regular technical climb.

Isn't it like a cat being stuck up a tree though? They always come down eventually. :huh:
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Post #47 - 07 Jul 2020, 11:09

Then you don't have a rescue, you have a body recovery.
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Post #48 - 07 Jul 2020, 15:46

Father Hasil Cocteau, SJ; » Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:09 pm wrote:Then you don't have a rescue, you have a body recovery.

Well that would certainly dissuade a few of the chancers if you left the bodies around for a few days.
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Post #49 - 07 Jul 2020, 15:54

You make a good point. It would also provide a meal for the endangered California Condor, a vulture-like bird with a ten foot wingspan.
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