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Father Hasil Cocteau, SJ; » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:27 pm wrote:Lee Perry came out and said that English youth shaped reggae by what they supported and what they ignored.
That's pretty much true for most music when pursued professionally: give the people what they want (and will pay for).
Loners who support themselves in other ways can develop styles that can become influential on other musicians when the former get a wider audience. People like Mississippi John Hurt, Joseph Spence of the Bahamas, and Hasil Adkins did what they did without training or renumeration and got to present themselves with an intact style that people liked (sort of).
Some can't help being what they are no matter how little money they earn. I think Captain Beefheart is an example and maybe Thelonious Monk, who was bi-polar, and played what he played and was able to make a living at it.
routemaster » 12 minutes ago wrote:Father Hasil Cocteau, SJ; » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:27 pm wrote:Lee Perry came out and said that English youth shaped reggae by what they supported and what they ignored.
That's pretty much true for most music when pursued professionally: give the people what they want (and will pay for).
Loners who support themselves in other ways can develop styles that can become influential on other musicians when the former get a wider audience. People like Mississippi John Hurt, Joseph Spence of the Bahamas, and Hasil Adkins did what they did without training or renumeration and got to present themselves with an intact style that people liked (sort of).
Some can't help being what they are no matter how little money they earn. I think Captain Beefheart is an example and maybe Thelonious Monk, who was bi-polar, and played what he played and was able to make a living at it.
The Fall will have been in there somewhere, refusing to sell out for the money at times when it could have been so easy (Brix era, then Infotainment especially). The Fall relied on gigging to make ends meet, essential really as they rarely troubled the charts other than during periods mentioned. Yes, The Fall will come under the Beefheart /Thelonious catagory I think.
Mushshrooms » 6 minutes ago wrote:^^This type of sensible talk has NO PLACE on a forum such as this!!!![]()
Father Hasil Cocteau, SJ; » Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:21 pm wrote:routemaster » 12 minutes ago wrote:Father Hasil Cocteau, SJ; » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:27 pm wrote:Lee Perry came out and said that English youth shaped reggae by what they supported and what they ignored.
That's pretty much true for most music when pursued professionally: give the people what they want (and will pay for).
Loners who support themselves in other ways can develop styles that can become influential on other musicians when the former get a wider audience. People like Mississippi John Hurt, Joseph Spence of the Bahamas, and Hasil Adkins did what they did without training or renumeration and got to present themselves with an intact style that people liked (sort of).
Some can't help being what they are no matter how little money they earn. I think Captain Beefheart is an example and maybe Thelonious Monk, who was bi-polar, and played what he played and was able to make a living at it.
The Fall will have been in there somewhere, refusing to sell out for the money at times when it could have been so easy (Brix era, then Infotainment especially). The Fall relied on gigging to make ends meet, essential really as they rarely troubled the charts other than during periods mentioned. Yes, The Fall will come under the Beefheart /Thelonious catagory I think.
I would put Mark Edward Smith at the top of the list because The Fall never seemed to have gotten the credit from the music press, and the media in general, that Thelonious and the Captain got.
Mushshrooms » Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:15 pm wrote:^^This type of sensible talk has NO PLACE on a forum such as this!!!![]()
Father Hasil Cocteau, SJ; » Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:45 pm wrote:Never heard too much about The Fall here although their records were reviewed, often favorably. They were mainly well known in Boston, New york, Chicago and L.A. I think. I only heard them on a college station.
Beefheart charted in the UK but not, I think, in the USA.
routemaster » Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:32 pm wrote:Mushshrooms » Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:15 pm wrote:^^This type of sensible talk has NO PLACE on a forum such as this!!!![]()
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